ok lets not kill her off as it would be slightly vindictive, but i agree furbelows, it would be good if clark did take a break, I just don't like how quick she is to put diana down. I was reading 'she's a wonder' issue *170 where lois does a interview with diana and all lois seems to do is try and find faults with her!!!!
Yeah I know that story. It's clear Lois does not exactly like Diana. She was rather bitchy in it but kind of grudgingly realized Diana was not a man eater.
I never cared for Lois and don't think I ever will. I just think the current dynamic with her and Clark he is written as a bit of an emo man child who supposedly needs her, Miss brash faced,pushy and always in trouble and needing saving, of all people to ground him. Which is stupid since he got his grounding from his parents and upbringing and experiences. I just hope DC explores Supes future cause he is what he is and destined to have a long life and after she ages and dies we see him settle with Diana and their legacy is carried on by their children.
ok lets not kill her off as i'm not vindictive, but i agree furbelows, it would be good if clark did take a break, I just don't like how quick she is to put diana down. I was reading 'she's a wonder' issue *170 where lois does a interview with diana and all lois seems to do is try and find faults with her!!!!
No, not really. I'm not that vindictive. I'd just rather the marriage end and the both of them simply move on. Had Jeb not died, I'd say let Lois get with him once and for all, since DC wasn't shy about implying that he was the one she really loved. But honestly, I'd rather Lois find someone more compatible with her and be happy, even if it means leaving Metropolis in favor of greener pastures.
As for Clark, give him some time to readjust to bachelorhood and then have him ease his way back into the dating game. That would be my ideal, and it would be more in keeping with his character.
Yes, I would rather see him take a break from romance and ease back in the dating game too. I think as much as I love him and Diana, I would like to see their special relationship continue and the UST continue. I hate the idea of anyone referring Diana as a home wrecker. I always imagined her and Clark finding each other eventually, with some experience behind them, and in the future.
But DC will never have the balls to retool the marriage. But how long they can continue writing Superman as tied to Lois and Metropolis apron strings I don't know. Sales remain pretty low for the flagship character of the DCU.
Lois: What the hell? How did Clark pull this off! No, wait.
Lois inspects the picture a little more closely.
Lois: Without the glasses, Clark looks a little like Sup...WHAT?!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll kill him! I'll kill him!!
Lois picks up her computer in a mad rage and throws it to the floor. That wasn't enough to Lois so she storms over to Clark's desk and rips it apart. Everyone in the newsroom run for cover and avoid Hurricane Lois.
On top of the Daily Planet, Diana and Clark pull away from each other.
Lois will probably go apoplectic trying to work out how plain old Clark scored with like the hottest woman in the world. Hmm i guess that is why Jimmy left a post-it and not stay and give them to Lois in person. He doesn't have a death wish.
I love the little bow tie under the smiley face on Jimmy's note.
Lois is probably too busy hooking up with Jeb Friedman (her boy toy in the mid-'90s comics, and the man who essentially cuckolded Superman) or some other sleazebag type to notice this, much less care about it. She doesn't strike me as someone who actually cares enough about Clark to fight for him.
Well, between DCU Lois going for Batman, Smallville 'The-Woman-is-Not-a-Virgin' Lois boinking every hero on DC before settling for boring wimp Clark and comic book Lois, I certainly prefer comic book Lois.
Comic Book Lois "emotionally cheated at least" with Jeb Friedman (Ron Frenz's own words at last year's Motor City Comic Con -- and since he drew some of the stories in question, he would know) and spent years of stories emotionally abusing Clark, accusing him of cheating on her with his JLA teammates, trying to walk out on him under false pretenses ("I'm spending time with my mother") or because she got herself in a snit, writing journal entries about how much she hated him for not leaving Wonder Woman and the Amazons to die at Imperiex's hands and saving her crooked dad (who was alive the whole time and faking his death) instead, and leaving him Dear John messages on his answering machine. She was so hateful and cruel to him that (a) nobody could tell the difference between the real her and the Parasite when he was impersonating her for a couple months and (b) she earned the nickname "Lois Lane: Superbitch."
I'm not seeing where Comic Book Lois is preferable to the animated and SMALLVILLE versions. If anything, Comic Book Lois is worse.
Dude... I'm glad of my years long policy regarding DC's 'respect' for Supes: They not only don't get my money, they don't deserve my attention. Sometimes I stumble on sites with valid links for Supes comics scans... so what? Good ridance for trash, I'll not polute my hard drive with paid for fanfic.
The reason for the discord between Lois and Clark has to do with the "death of" story. DC had originally planned to get them married in SUPERMAN Vol.2 #75 (which ended up being the death book), but once LOIS & CLARK started production, DC and WB agreed to time the wedding in the comics with the TV show. But as the show built toward the marriage, the writers on the comics had a change of heart about marrying Superman at all, and tried to find a way out of it. Jeb had already been introduced as a new love interest for Lois/thorn in Clark's side during the "death of" story (indeed, their reunion happens at poor Superman's funeral) and was a regular character in MAN OF STEEL (where he'd been created) despite being universally reviled by fans. So who better to drive Superman and Lois apart than the man who wooed her during Superman's near-death experience? Long story short: Lois decided she didn't like Clark being Superman and dumped him, Lois and Jeb hooked up, Jeb died saving Lois' life, Lois blamed Clark for Jeb's death and left Metropolis to forge a new path for herself, and Superman was left looking the fool. And since Lori Lemaris had been reintroduced at this time...well, that was yet another reason for Lois to give in to her feelings for Jeb and break it off with Clark.
Then LOIS & CLARK decided they were ready to marry them off and got in touch with DC about setting up the joint event. DC tried to weasel out of the bargain they'd made years prior, but WB held them to it and forced them to trash their existing story plans in favor of SUPERMAN: THE WEDDING ALBUM. DC complained up a storm to anyone who'd listen about how WB was interfering with their stories, and almost from the beginning DC was trying to come up with a way to undo the marriage. A 1999 proposal for a Superman relaunch by Mark Waid, Grant Morrison, Tom Peyer, and Mark Millar included as its linchpin not only the erasing of the marriage, but also a return to the Love Triangle™ that wore out its welcome decades ago. However, DC at the time believed that big-name creators should never be put on Superman, so that proposal got kiboshed. Around this time, on and off Lois' intolerance of Clark's Superman activities would rear its ugly head (a Stuart Immonen story about Intergang's giant robot lobsters showed her being especially nasty), and would explode once the Jeph Loeb era got underway.
The first couple months of 2000 had Lois impersonated by the Parasite, behaving abusively to Clark as a way breaking him down. Because Lois' abusive tendencies had already been established, the creators were able to play it as if Lois had really gone off the deep end. (Oh, and Parasite-Lois had sex with Lex Luthor. The Monica Lewinsky parallels were blatantly obvious in the offending issue.) But after Lois was rescued and all was back to normal, she was as nagging and whiny as ever. Then "Our Worlds at War" hit and then came all the awful stuff I mentioned earlier about Lois trying to leave Clark under the guise of vacationing with her mother, wishing Wonder Woman and her people had been killed instead of her dad (who wasn't really dead and later became Luthor's henchman), the hateful journal entries and "Dear John" messages...blah blah blah. Then along came the Cir-El Supergirl who claimed to be Superman's future daughter...and Lois' immediate response was to accuse Clark of cheating on her with the women in the JLA and slag them all off as whores. During the entirety of Steven Seagle's run on the books, Lois was a total bitch 24-7, treating everybody, not just Clark, poorly. And if you think the fans were upset by this, then-artists Scott McDaniel and Andy Owens were heartbroken. They'd been wanting to do Superman for years, and they HATED the scripts they were stuck with. Owens in particular was outspoken at conventions about how miserable they were at the time.
What was really sick was that everyone responsible for these stories would complain up and down about how the marriage "robbed" Superman of his emotional resonance and how restoring the Love Triangle™ would fix everything. I wish I was kidding. The writers had absolutely no intention of making the marriage work; they just wanted the Love Triangle™ back. Never mind that Lois' behavior earned her the "Superbitch" moniker, never mind that it turned a lot of people against her, never mind that it probably was what caused the emergence of shippers who pair Superman up with other women, they wanted the Love Triangle™ and, according to DC editor Paul Levitz, still do. The one thing they've never, EVER thought about is why, after showing Lois being this abusive and cruel to Superman, we'd want to see him chasing after her like a whipped puppy. If anything, dissolving their marriage should be the end of them, period.
Now, there have been attempts at resolving this. Chuck Austen wanted to break them up and get Clark paired off with Lana Lang...but his depiction of Lana as a sleazy homewrecker who leaves her panties in Clark's bed for Lois to find fell flat on its face. Gail Simone openly decried Lois' Superbitch persona...and then proceeded to write her as so sugary sweet and cloying that it rang false. Kurt Busiek likewise claimed that Lois had no right to lash out at Clark for being Superman...but fell into the Superbitch trap face-first in TRINITY, where he had Lois reject on national TV evidence clearing the Atom of Sue Dibny's murder because it wasn't what SHE wanted to hear, and vow to take him down. It's like no matter who takes over the books, no matter who's writing, they just can't get away from Lois being a truly selfish creature who'll step all over everyone else to get what she wants. And in both Simone and Busiek's cases, neither of them at any time had Lois come to the realization that she'd been mistreating Clark. They just swept it under the rug and tried to pretend it never happened, which made their Lois/Clark scenes feel very, very phony.
So yeah, you haven't missed much. A lot of wonderful artists have come and gone, but the writing? Pretty much a wash.
Daaammn. What a sad state of afairs... Here I was in my happy little world without remembering about the Super-suck stories and you had to go and give a history lesson It's been some six months since I last lurked on DC forums. At the time the Superman section was *dead*. I wonder how it is nowadays...
I never read Superman comics until Rucka's run and skirted back issues like OWAW trades etc and I always wondered about this. Huh so Lois is written just as badly. No wonder Superman sales stink right now. Many loyal readers probably just give up on reading him cause DC messes with continuity to suit themselves. Sounds like comic book Lois never ever deserved him. I always wondered about this.She is written very saccharin bland now and passive I must say. I wonder that Gail Simone doesn't wonder why Lois is not in a refrigerator since her marriage to Superman. The irony of it all.
Ugh! How disgusting of DC to do this. Glad I wasn't buying DC then. What a waste of money that would've been. DC really think people have short memories to do this or feel they can write characters however they want because people would buy it.